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Post by Zat on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 15:51

Not a word being said as far as I can see about this incident...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/990105/man-extradited-to-nsw-over-wifes-death

Yet, this incident...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/killing-of-student-nitin-garg-threatens-ties-india/story-e6frg6nf-1225815886596

is causing much drama, and will potentially damage Australia's relationship with India.

What a load of bollocks.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Mick Sawyer on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 15:54

Zat wrote:Not a word being said as far as I can see about this incident...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/990105/man-extradited-to-nsw-over-wifes-death

Yet, this incident...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/killing-of-student-nitin-garg-threatens-ties-india/story-e6frg6nf-1225815886596

is causing much drama, and will potentially damage Australia's relationship with India.

What a load of bollocks.


When used by a politician it's a device to keep the locals from thinking about all the local crap.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Zat on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 16:06

I wish to make a request to Anil Kumble to address the bloke in the first incident.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by skully on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 16:34

I thought about posting something on the two stories, Zog, but in the end I didn't want to make a certain few FBers cry.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Zat on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 18:36

F*ck'em.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by furriner on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 18:56

Instead of going on about it, read this. Or, the government official's nuanced response:

Interview.

And Zat, I don't see what your first link has anything to do with the second. However, the second link did have its highlight:

Federation of Indian Students spokesman Gautam Gupta today called on cricketing legends Shane Warne and Ricky Ponting to speak out against violence against Indian students.

Mr Gupta said the two cricket stars had huge followings in India and it was about time they voiced their concerns.

“There is a lot of frustration within the Indian community with the way this is being handled,” Mr Gupta said.

“People are losing confidence with every passing day.”

He said Ponting and Warne “should jump in and defend Indian students in Australia”.

“Shane Warne is an icon in India - he has millions of fans.”


That made my day.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by skully on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:06

Look out. Next thing Banindia will be sending tall ships to invade us to defend their students.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Zat on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:08

furriner wrote:And Zat, I don't see what your first link has anything to do with the second.

So an Indian kills an Indian in Australia, in what sounds like a pretty brutal killing, and there's nothing said about it in the Indian press or by high-ranking Indian officials.

Someone unknown kills an Indian in Australia, in what sounds like a pretty brutal killing, and there's a whole hue and cry about how Australia is a dangerous place for Indians, because of racism, and that something must ve done to stop it. Even though the police believe it wasn't a racially-motivated attack.

You don't see anything odd about the two different reactions? Well, Thank you, come again.

Having lived in Melbourne on several occasions, I woudl suggest that anyone who walks through a park, after dark, in the Western suburbs of Melbourne is stupid to the nth degree and undeserving of sympathy, or is knowlingly taking a risk with their life and undeserving of sympathy.

If it turns out that the bloke who dided in Melbourne was the victim of some racist thugs, then I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by taipan on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:10

And why drag cricketers in?

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Zat on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:12

You'd really have to ask the spokesman for the Federation of Indian Students.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by furriner on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:20

Zat wrote:an Indian kills an Indian in Australia, in what sounds like a pretty brutal killing, and there's nothing said about it in the Indian press or by high-ranking Indian officials.

Someone unknown kills an Indian in Australia, in what sounds like a pretty brutal killing, and there's a whole hue and cry about how Australia is a dangerous place for Indians, because of racism, and that something must ve done to stop it. Even though the police believe it wasn't a racially-motivated attack.

You don't see anything odd about the two different reactions? Well, Thank you, come again.


Regardless of how you play it, there could very well be a difference between the two. The first is a clear cut incident of domestic violence; the second could be anything, and given what has happened before, some concerns are natural.

However, the reaction of the Indian minister is OTT; he's a twat. Your reaction is OTT as well.

Zat wrote:Having lived in Melbourne on several occasions, I woudl suggest that anyone who walks through a park, after dark, in the Western suburbs of Melbourne is stupid to the nth degree and undeserving of sympathy, or is knowlingly taking a risk with their life and undeserving of sympathy.


Harsh. Except for the "undeserving of sympathy" bit, fair.

Zat wrote:If it turns out that the bloke who dided in Melbourne was the victim of some racist thugs, then I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.


Actually, the matter is not one of just racism in Australia, IMO. In the link that I sent, there is some pretty good analysis of who's coming to study in Australia.

taipan wrote:And why drag cricketers in?


The answer could be (a) Warne and/ or Ponting are the racist murderers out on a vengeful spree or, (b) The guy's an idiot. I might go with (b).

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by taipan on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:23

furriner wrote:
Zat wrote:Having lived in Melbourne on several occasions, I woudl suggest that anyone who walks through a park, after dark, in the Western suburbs of Melbourne is stupid to the nth degree and undeserving of sympathy, or is knowlingly taking a risk with their life and undeserving of sympathy.


Harsh. Except for the "undeserving of sympathy" bit, fair.



Furry, most major cities. including those in India, have areas you don't go after darl. If you are stupid enough to do so, it's on your head.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by furriner on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:26

taipan wrote:
furriner wrote:
Zat wrote:Having lived in Melbourne on several occasions, I woudl suggest that anyone who walks through a park, after dark, in the Western suburbs of Melbourne is stupid to the nth degree and undeserving of sympathy, or is knowlingly taking a risk with their life and undeserving of sympathy.


Harsh. Except for the "undeserving of sympathy" bit, fair.



Furry, most major cities. including those in India, have areas you don't go after darl. If you are stupid enough to do so, it's on your head.


Oh I completely agree. You have to be a f*ckwit to do that. Except that the "sympathy" bit; I can't never find it in me not to sympathize. Man's dead.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Zat on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 19:28

furriner wrote:
Zat wrote:Having lived in Melbourne on several occasions, I woudl suggest that anyone who walks through a park, after dark, in the Western suburbs of Melbourne is stupid to the nth degree and undeserving of sympathy, or is knowlingly taking a risk with their life and undeserving of sympathy.


Harsh. Except for the "undeserving of sympathy" bit, fair.

FWIW, the reaction to anyone (and it happened to a couple of people I know while I was living there) who got in trouble in areas like that, from the vast majority of people didn't include much by way of sympathy.

furriner wrote:
Zat wrote:If it turns out that the bloke who dided in Melbourne was the victim of some racist thugs, then I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.


Actually, the matter is not one of just racism in Australia, IMO. In the link that I sent, there is some pretty good analysis of who's coming to study in Australia.

Read the link after I posted. Interesting.

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Re: Massive outcry - I mean outbreak of hypocrisy

Post by Blackadder on Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:29

Now talk of India issuing a "travel warning" advisory to Aus..I guess that will stop them stabbing there own kind here. Suspect

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