Global Warming

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you need a fourth option, tya ......

Not Sure its Happenning/Cause Impossible to Prove

As far as I'm concerned, there's no conclusive proof either way, as you can find "research" to "prove" both sides of the argument.

What's beyond doubt is that governments are using it as an excuse to tax the arses off all of us.

I'm also concerned at the attitude of the more vociferous proponents of the global warming/climate change theory. They have a tendency to smear people who disagree withthem as somehow being morally deficient, and on a par with holocaust deniers.

Within the last 100 years, the same attitude was common towards eugenics. There was a widespread belief amongst the scientific community that mankind would be greatly enhanced if hereditary diseases were "bred out" so to speak. Many powerful and prominent figures spoke in favour including politicians and writers - dissenters were mocked and ridiculed. Today, of course, the very idea disgusts most people, especially after the Nazi experiments.

Quite so.

The very use of the term "deniers" is loaded with abuse. Trouble is, the religious fervour with which those who make the man-made climate change case is being unravelled by reality. It's all very well to say that the global temperature falls of the last decade are somehow merely temporary and they will move upwards again - that might be true, but how come not a single one of the climate change models predicted it?

brrrr ...

I'm in the "it's not hapening at all" bunch of slobs.

Like Growls, I reckon it's the politicians "humane" way of taxing the arses off the populace and also it feathers the nest of that "has been" failed Seppo presidential candidate 'wotsisname' - who collects millions for his lectures on climate change ... like he f**king knows what he's talking about!

You should have the option "Natural phenomenon accellerated by people".

Shoeshine wrote:Quite so.

The very use of the term "deniers" is loaded with abuse. Trouble is, the religious fervour with which those who make the man-made climate change case is being unravelled by reality. It's all very well to say that the global temperature falls of the last decade are somehow merely temporary and they will move upwards again - that might be true, but how come not a single one of the climate change models predicted it?

Nary a truer word spoken shoey.

I'm so sick of supposed 'causes' that morph into 'industries.' Over it.

And not having the Right to debate an issue without being labelled and laughed at. It's offensive.

Rob I wrote:You should have the option "Natural phenomenon accellerated by people".

Thing is Rob, I would contend that if mankind were accellerating a normal phenomenon, temperatures should have been going up for the last 200 years or so.

The boffins are blaming air travel, cars and the generation of electricity for throwing millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere today - but compare todays power generation with old coal plants, modern engines with catalytic convertors against the old diesels which clagged like steam engines, and the spread of central heating in domestic homes replacing coal fires.

Go back just 40 years, when towns like Sheffield, Corby, ******, Shotton & Port Talbot couldn't be seen for the muck in the air all around them from steel plants, the Black Country towns were firing pottery in kilns, many northeren towns had woolen or cotton mills, and shipyards from Glasgow to Newcastle, Liverpool and Southampton ........ all burning coal to provide steam power before the term exhaust scrubbing was even an idea.

Those old industries were throwing all sorts of heavy metals, sulphur and assorted carcinogens into the atmosphere as well as CO2. I'm still to be convinced that todays emissions are causing more damage. Nobody's explained why the %age of CO2 hasn't increased from previous levels.

As for pledges to reduce emissions to 1990 levels in 25 years or whatever it is ....... it's pure fantasy, unless they want us all living by candle light and playing charades as electricity is rationed to private houses.

Growler wrote:

Rob I wrote:You should have the option "Natural phenomenon accellerated by people".

Thing is Rob, I would contend that if mankind were accellerating a normal phenomenon, temperatures should have been going up for the last 200 years or so.

According to the Vostok Ice Core Data, temperatures have been going up for a lot longer than that. They go up and down over a 100,000 year cycle, and a direct correllation exists between mean temperature and atmospheric CO2 ppm.

Over the last three upwards cycles, humanity could have had nothing to do with it because we were hominids in those days.

But over the last 200 years the atmospheric CO2 appears to be in excess of that predicted by the Vostok graph. It would appear that we have made an impact on the composition of the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. Agribusiness appears to have made an impact too - methane is a worse greenhouse gas than CO2 and we now have zillions of cattle to make methane.

If you're ever unfortunate enough to get into a debate with the climate-change fanatics, ask them what the hottest year on record is. The answer stuns them.

Rob I wrote:You should have the option "Natural phenomenon accellerated by people".

Aye to that

Shoeshine wrote:If you're ever unfortunate enough to get into a debate with the climate-change fanatics, ask them what the hottest year on record is. The answer stuns them.

1976?

DJ_Smerk wrote:

Shoeshine wrote:If you're ever unfortunate enough to get into a debate with the climate-change fanatics, ask them what the hottest year on record is. The answer stuns them.

1976?

That was a seriously hot Summer - hotter than anything I recall since.

1998 was pretty hot, as was 2001. been a bit shit since then.

Basil wrote:

DJ_Smerk wrote:

Shoeshine wrote:If you're ever unfortunate enough to get into a debate with the climate-change fanatics, ask them what the hottest year on record is. The answer stuns them.

1976?

That was a seriously hot Summer - hotter than anything I recall since.

Shame I couldn't have been there.