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West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by DJ_Smerk on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 09:40

Nash out, Captain Kirk Edwards in.

Only one Edwards will play.

Simmons
Barath
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Baugh
Sammy
Rampaul
Roach
Bishoo
Edwards

India will unlikely make any changes. Consistency and furthering the experience of the fringe players will be their top priority.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by doremi on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 10:10

Maybe Munaf for Mishra, depending on the pitch.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by Brass Monkey on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 10:54

Aye, the way WI are batting he probably won't be called in for more than 10 overs an innings. Even he should be fine for that. If WI have pretensions of building an innings, abort mission, fragile gentleman coming through...

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by skully on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 11:57

So the "let's give the whitey a try" experiment is over for the Ganjas. Back to the Gabba nets for him, perhaps?

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by Gary 111 on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 13:28

DJ_Smerk wrote:Nash out, Captain Kirk Edwards in.

Only one Edwards will play.

Simmons
Barath
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Baugh
Sammy
Rampaul
Roach
Bishoo
Edwards

India will unlikely make any changes. Consistency and furthering the experience of the fringe players will be their top priority.


They surely can't go with that line-up. The tail starts at 6 (and the openers aren't all that flash and 3 and 4 are both possibly past it). West Indies desperately need to find a wicketkeeper/batsman, bearing in mind the batsmen aren't very good and most of their bowlers are rank tailenders. Would at least help with their depth.

But Windies domestic cricket seems to be mirroring the 1920s with lots of keepers who average in the teens. Maybe they should train Simmons up?

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by DJ_Smerk on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 15:17

It's tricky as there isn't a whole host of players to turn to.

With Nash axed, Gayle and Dwayne Bravo (whom is not consistent enough with the bat) out of the picture, it's a selectors nightmare. Kirk Edwards is far from the answer to this conundrum, and I think Roach should play in Bridgetown.

The WICB must bite the bullet and start rethinking how Sammy fits into the side. He's like Flintoff in the England squad a few years back, he disrupts the balance of the side. In essence Sammy is keeping out stronger bowlers. Whether he's keeping out stronger batsmen is a moot point at the moment.

Seamer alternatives through dropping Sammy:

Kemar Roach
Andre Russell
Jerome Taylor
Kieron Pollard
Gavin Tonge
Neon Pascal
Lionel Baker

Batting alternatives through dropping Sammy:

Chris Gayle
Devon Smith
Xavier Marshall
Dwayne Smith
Ryan Hinds


Ideally,

Gayle
Barath
Sarwan
Chanderpaul*
Simmons+
Darren Bravo
Dwayne Bravo
Rampaul
Roach
Edwards
Bishoo


On paper, that is their strongest side.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by kkf on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 16:48

DJ_Smerk wrote:Nash out, Captain Kirk Edwards in.

Only one Edwards will play.

Simmons
Barath
Sarwan
Chanderpaul
Bravo
Baugh
Sammy
Rampaul
Roach
Bishoo
Edwards

India will unlikely make any changes. Consistency and furthering the experience of the fringe players will be their top priority.


One of Roach, Rampaul or Edwads will sit for Samuels I think. Baugh is not a number 6 and Sammy isn't a 7. So they're gonna need a batsman. I feel they probably dropped Nash too soon. I would have given him at least to the end of this series. He has been pretty consistent since he started playing for us. He has earned the chance of a bad test or 2. Especially if Kirk Edwards is the replacement. He's useless.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by Henry on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 16:54

Barath
Simmons
Sarwan
Darren Bravo
Chanderpaul
Samuels
Baugh+
Sammy(c)
Rampaul
Edwards
Bishoo

Ramnaresh Sarwan must be on thin ice. Chanders as well, I would have thought. Neither have done much with the bat for the last six months.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by skully on Sun 26 Jun 2011, 17:21

Aye, Ronnie has been having a shocker.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by Gary 111 on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 08:05

DJ_Smerk wrote:
The WICB must bite the bullet and start rethinking how Sammy fits into the side. He's like Flintoff in the England squad a few years back, he disrupts the balance of the side. In essence Sammy is keeping out stronger bowlers. Whether he's keeping out stronger batsmen is a moot point at the moment.



He's worse than Flintoff as he cannot bat and he cannot bowl. Unless he's a better captain than Mike Brearley I really don't see the point in him - the whole selection is just to spite Gayle. A 0-Dimensional cricketer.

What's up with Sarwan - he should be in the prime of his career right now? Instead he's worse than when he was 19.

Can anyone explain why Jerome Taylor is not getting a look-in? I wish they would damn the consequences and take 3 strike bowlers in - Taylor, Roach, Edwards - don't die wondering with these sh!tty medium paced trundlers like Sammy and Rampaul.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by doremi on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 08:16

Rampaul was their best pacer in the last series and the last match though. I'd pick him instead of Roach. But yeah, Sammy really needs to go, the WI even as weak as they are now, have better options, much better.

Gayle
Barath
Sarwan
Bravo
Chanderpaul
Simmons+
Bravo
Russell
Bishoo
Edwards
Taylor

This team is batting heavy, good allrounders till no.8 and then decent tailenders in 9-11. Will make them harder to beat IMO while giving them 5 bowling options. They could also swap in one of Roach/Rampaul in place of Russell/Bravo if they want a better bowling unit. But this would need Simmons to keep, Baugh and Ramdin both are a bit mediocre.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by The One on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 08:23

sammy is averaging less than 20 in tests this year. why would you want to drop him? roach took 4 wickets in 2 tests vs pak

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by Gary 111 on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 08:39

Sammy is simply not a Test match bowler - he seems quite adept at cleaning up the tail - but on a decent wicket with only Bishoo and Edwards appraoching test class they simply won't get to the tail again this series.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by doremi on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 08:45

If I had to pick 3 pacers, I would pick Edwards, Taylor and Rampaul, in that order. Roach has pace, but I don't see much else. Sammy doesn't even have that. Just not good enough.

Early prediction - Vijay and Samuels to score hundreds.

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Re: West Indies v India, 2nd Test, Barbados, 28 June-2 July 2011

Post by Brass Monkey on Mon 27 Jun 2011, 08:46

Rampaul this year: 15 wickets @ 22. Top order wickets. He should be the first bowler on the list. He's bowling at a decentish lick a lot of the time too.

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